Comments on: Apple, EFF square off over iPhone jailbreaking http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2009/05/02/apple-eff-square-over-iphone-jailbreaking/ iPhone and Touch news and tips Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:57:52 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: poo http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2009/05/02/apple-eff-square-over-iphone-jailbreaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9955 poo Mon, 04 May 2009 09:53:19 +0000 http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/?p=1757#comment-9955 blah blah fucking blah, keep on whining apple pricks. blah blah fucking blah, keep on whining apple pricks.

]]> By: TK http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2009/05/02/apple-eff-square-over-iphone-jailbreaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9888 TK Sun, 03 May 2009 08:59:00 +0000 http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/?p=1757#comment-9888 It is a problematic matter and I am not sure that the answer is as clear cut as you put it. The current arrangement where Apple works through an exclusive carrier is beneficial to the company and consumers in the short run. The iPhone was a significant risk for the company, and to mitigate the risks the management team have decided to deliberately limit the availability of the product. If it failed then, the impact would be contained. Contractual negotiations are also significantly easier with one party, as opposed to many. Also, Apple had limited experience in the mobile phone business and by working with one partner they can experiment and refine their knowledge and practices. This helps them deliver a better user experience - a win for customers. The success of the iPhone means that the pressure is on AT&T to deliver the necessary support to match the iPhone user experience. Apple could always go elsewhere. This encourages AT&T to invest in its network. It will also encourage other providers to invest in their networks as they seek to gain support for the iPhone or other similar products. Note, iPhone users tend to consume much more data then other users - providing a new and at this stage lucrative revenue stream. Improved networks - a win for customers. Turning to jailbreaking. This disrupts the relationship between Apple and AT&T. If Apple did not discourage jailbreaking what incentive would there be for AT&T to invest in supporting and promoting the iPhone? Why work with Apple? Why share information? Why make changes to the network to support the iPhone? This relationship is worth protecting in the short run as it provides non-trivial benefits. The user experience is likely to be less then what it currently is. It is, of course, not perfect. But the current strategy is for the short run. In the long run Apple will support other networks as not every customer will purchase AT&T services and AT&T will not be able to satisfy all customers. The other side is that jailbreaking may accelerate the spread of the iPhone. After all, it is costly to continue to fend off attempts. The costs are not just financial either. Forums like this, portray Apple's motives in a negative and stereotypical light (the big corporation versus the little guy). It is a problematic matter and I am not sure that the answer is as clear cut as you put it. The current arrangement where Apple works through an exclusive carrier is beneficial to the company and consumers in the short run. The iPhone was a significant risk for the company, and to mitigate the risks the management team have decided to deliberately limit the availability of the product. If it failed then, the impact would be contained.

Contractual negotiations are also significantly easier with one party, as opposed to many. Also, Apple had limited experience in the mobile phone business and by working with one partner they can experiment and refine their knowledge and practices. This helps them deliver a better user experience – a win for customers.

The success of the iPhone means that the pressure is on AT&T to deliver the necessary support to match the iPhone user experience. Apple could always go elsewhere. This encourages AT&T to invest in its network. It will also encourage other providers to invest in their networks as they seek to gain support for the iPhone or other similar products. Note, iPhone users tend to consume much more data then other users – providing a new and at this stage lucrative revenue stream. Improved networks – a win for customers.

Turning to jailbreaking. This disrupts the relationship between Apple and AT&T. If Apple did not discourage jailbreaking what incentive would there be for AT&T to invest in supporting and promoting the iPhone? Why work with Apple? Why share information? Why make changes to the network to support the iPhone? This relationship is worth protecting in the short run as it provides non-trivial benefits.

The user experience is likely to be less then what it currently is. It is, of course, not perfect. But the current strategy is for the short run. In the long run Apple will support other networks as not every customer will purchase AT&T services and AT&T will not be able to satisfy all customers.

The other side is that jailbreaking may accelerate the spread of the iPhone. After all, it is costly to continue to fend off attempts. The costs are not just financial either. Forums like this, portray Apple’s motives in a negative and stereotypical light (the big corporation versus the little guy).

]]> By: Louis wheeler http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/2009/05/02/apple-eff-square-over-iphone-jailbreaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9856 Louis wheeler Sat, 02 May 2009 20:50:18 +0000 http://iphonetouch.blorge.com/?p=1757#comment-9856 You are on shaky legal and moral grounds. While you can be said to own a particular iPod or iPhone's hardware, you are merely renting the use of the operating system which runs it. You are free to create your own operating system for an iPod or iPhone, but Apple's intellectual property has conditions which limit its use. Jailbreaking software continues to use the iPhone OS but uses it in ways which break the conditions on which it was licensed to you. When Apple sells the iPod or iPhone without the onerous conditions that you break, it always charges more for the privilege. Therefore, anyone who jailbreaks one is a thief. You have no rights: you lie to yourself when you pretend that you do. You are on shaky legal and moral grounds. While you can be said to own a particular iPod or iPhone’s hardware, you are merely renting the use of the operating system which runs it.

You are free to create your own operating system for an iPod or iPhone, but Apple’s intellectual property has conditions which limit its use. Jailbreaking software continues to use the iPhone OS but uses it in ways which break the conditions on which it was licensed to you.

When Apple sells the iPod or iPhone without the onerous conditions that you break, it always charges more for the privilege. Therefore, anyone who jailbreaks one is a thief.

You have no rights: you lie to yourself when you pretend that you do.

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